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The Guarantee That Was a Meeting

By Dale KubiakFormer Google/YouTube employee

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  1. 01The Price You Are Not Told Until the CallFull chapter · 17 min read
  2. 02The Screening That Screens NobodyFull chapter · 16 min read
  3. 03The Guarantee That Was a MeetingFull chapter · 16 min read

Paragraph 75 of the First Amended Complaint, filed 9 May 2025 in FTC v. Growth Cave, LLC, No. 2:25-cv-01115-DOC(RAOx) in the Central District of California, records what buyers found when they asked for their money back. The guarantee, that complaint states, "is meaningless because they could continue to work with Growth Cave indefinitely without ever earning a dime."

The disputed word is guarantee, and by the time that paragraph was written it had done two different jobs in two different documents. One was an advertisement. The other was a contract. A buyer read them in that order and paid in between.

Paragraph 45 of the same 9 May 2025 complaint describes one recorded sales call on which the seller's representative referenced the profit guarantee more than thirty times and repeatedly called it a "safety net." That paragraph also records the arithmetic the representative attached to it.

THE CLAIM

"$10,000 profit on top of the $9,800 price, so you'll be recouped to $19,800."

Paragraph 75 of that same complaint, filed 9 May 2025, states that the guarantee was only that Growth Cave would continue to "work with you" until you made $10,000, and that the caveat was disclosed through a provision slipped into the agreement purchasers sign after paying.

Nothing sits between those two documents except a payment.

Read the two of them for what each undertakes to return. The claim at ¶ 45 of the 9 May 2025 complaint returns the price and then some: the buyer is out $9,800 and is told the position will be $19,800, which is the price recovered plus ten thousand dollars on top of it. The clause at ¶ 75 of that same 2025 complaint returns nothing. It commits the seller to keep working and commits no amount at all to the buyer's side of the ledger. One of the two guarantees is a number with a sign in front of it. The other has no arithmetic in it.

The repetition is a finding on its own. Paragraph 45 of the 9 May 2025 complaint counts more than thirty references to the guarantee inside a single call, which is not the frequency at which a term of sale gets mentioned. It is the frequency at which an objection gets answered. A price disclosed for the first time in a live conversation produces one predictable response, and the guarantee is the sentence that meets it.

Call the first one the advertised guarantee and the second one the contractual guarantee, because they are not the same kind of object and the chapter turns on the difference. The advertised guarantee is a quantity of money, stated to the digit on a call, and it is falsifiable: a buyer either has the amount by a date or does not. The contractual guarantee, as pleaded at ¶ 75 of the 9 May 2025 complaint, is a quantity of attention. It promises continued work of unstated duration, ending at a number the seller does not undertake to produce. A promise about money can fail on a date. A promise to keep meeting has no failure condition in it, because there is no day on which the buyer can say it did not happen.

That is the whole engineering problem solved in one clause, and it was solved in the document the buyer read last.

The order the four documents arrive in is on the record, and it is fixed. Set against the 9 May 2025 complaint, it runs:

  1. The advertisement and the recorded strategy call, on which the guarantee is a dollar figure and a noun, per ¶ 45 of that 2025 complaint.
  2. The price, disclosed to the buyer for the first time on that same call, at $3,500 to $9,800, per ¶ 46 of the same 2025 complaint.
  3. The payment, or an application for third-party financing, taken while the call was still running, per ¶ 46 of that 2025 complaint.
  4. The agreement, delivered for electronic signature after the money had moved, and offered as non-negotiable, per ¶ 47 of the 9 May 2025 complaint.

The guarantee is asserted at step one and defined at step four. Steps two and three sit between them. A buyer who wanted to compare the assertion against the definition before deciding would have to read step four before step three, and the sequence pleaded in the 9 May 2025 complaint does not offer that as an option — the agreement arrives afterwards, by e-signature, and it is not negotiated.

None of that requires anyone to lie about the contract. The contract says what it says. It says it to a reader who has already paid, at the one moment when the sentence has stopped being a purchasing decision and started being a receipt.

Two features of step four are what make it design rather than scheduling. The agreement at ¶ 47 of the 9 May 2025 complaint arrives for electronic signature, which means it can be produced and delivered in seconds and could have been delivered at step one at no cost to anybody. It is also offered as non-negotiable, per the same paragraph of that 2025 filing, which means the buyer has no term to trade and nothing to gain by reading it slowly. A document that costs nothing to send early, and cannot be altered once it arrives, is a document whose delivery time is the only variable left in it.

There is a second consequence, and it is the reason the Commission's theory works. In the 9 May 2025 complaint the post-payment provision is pleaded as part of the deception rather than as an answer to it. The charge is built on the net impression of the advertisement and the call, and the clause is evidence of what the seller knew the advertised version did not mean. A seller reading that filing gets the instruction in reverse: the clause did not cure the advertisement, and putting the narrow definition somewhere the buyer reaches later is not a defence, it is an exhibit.

There is a federal rule that exists to put those two documents in front of a buyer at the same time, and it is old enough to have been available in this matter. The Business Opportunity Rule, 16 C.F.R. Part 437, in the amended form effective 1 March 2012, requires a covered seller to give the buyer a disclosure document at least seven calendar days before the earlier of a signature or a payment. That document must carry the seller's identifying information, its litigation history, its cancellation-and-refund policy, references, and — where an earnings claim has been made — the Earnings Claim Statement at § 437.4.

The cancellation-and-refund policy is the line that matters here. Delivered seven calendar days early, it is a definition the buyer can hold beside the advertisement while both are still on the screen. Delivered by e-signature after the payment, as the agreement was at ¶ 47 of the 9 May 2025 complaint, it is a definition the buyer can only read against a decision already made.

The comparison the Rule enables is not a legal exercise. It is two nouns and a minute. The advertisement names what the buyer gets back; the cancellation-and-refund policy names when and whether the seller gives anything back; and where the two sentences describe different things, the difference is visible without a lawyer. 16 C.F.R. Part 437 puts that comparison seven calendar days ahead of both the signature and the payment, which is long enough to make it somewhere other than a live call with the person selling.

The Rule's own boundary is worth printing rather than smoothing over, because it is the boundary sellers stand on. 16 C.F.R. Part 437 covers a business opportunity: broadly, a solicitation in which the buyer makes a required payment and the seller supplies locations, accounts or ongoing business assistance. A pure information product sold with no ongoing assistance from the seller can sit outside it, and that gap is real.

Read against this chapter, that boundary produces an awkward result for the seller. The contractual guarantee at ¶ 75 of the 9 May 2025 complaint is a written promise of ongoing assistance from the seller, of indefinite duration, given in exchange for a required payment. The sentence a seller writes to convert a money guarantee into continued work is the same sentence describing the element the Rule turns on. A seller cannot easily claim both that the guarantee is a commitment to keep working with the buyer and that there is no ongoing assistance in the transaction.

Whether that gap closes at all is unresolved. A proposal to extend the Rule to money-making opportunities was published on 13 January 2025 on a three-to-two vote, with a sixty-day comment period, and the FTC's Regulatory Agenda of 14 August 2026 still listed the Business Opportunity Rule and the proposed Earnings Claims Trade Regulation Rule as rulemakings in progress. As of September 2026, this was unresolved. The proposal is a proposal. Nothing in this chapter rests on it.

The Notice of Penalty Offenses Concerning Money-Making Opportunities, issued 26 October 2021 to more than 1,100 businesses under 15 U.S.C. § 45(m)(1)(A), enumerates eight practices the Commission has already found deceptive in litigated matters. Two of the eight describe the two guarantees in this chapter, one each.

Offence six is falsely representing that the purchase is risk-free or low-risk. That is the job the advertised guarantee performs on the call at ¶ 45 of the 9 May 2025 complaint. A safety net is not a claim about how much the buyer will make. It is a claim about the buyer's downside, and it is the claim that makes the price answerable: a figure the buyer cannot lose is a figure the buyer does not need to weigh.

Offence eight is misrepresenting the amount or type of training that will be given. That is the job the contractual guarantee performs at ¶ 75 of the same 2025 complaint. Once the guarantee's content is continued work, the remedy for a disappointing result is more of the service that produced it, supplied by the party who sold it, on a schedule that party controls. The contract converts a refund question into a delivery question.

There is a reason offence six lands here rather than offence one, which covers false or misleading representations about profits and earnings. A seller who states no earnings figure at all can still reach offence six, because a representation that a purchase is risk-free is a claim about the buyer's exposure and not about the buyer's return. The guarantee is the device that lets a seller carry a price of $3,500 to $9,800, as pleaded at ¶ 46 of the 9 May 2025 complaint, without defending an income projection to get there. Remove the downside and the figure on the invoice stops being a figure the buyer has to justify.

Two offences, two documents, one word. The notice enumerating both was mailed in October 2021, more than three years before the complaint quoted in this chapter was filed on 9 May 2025.

A definition that only arrives after payment is a defect a market corrects quickly, provided the people who hit it can tell the next buyer. Three mechanisms in the federal record stop that from happening, and two of them are contract terms.

The first is moderation. Paragraph 73 of the 9 May 2025 complaint alleges that when buyers complained on the seller's internal message boards, the Growth Cave defendants "routinely deleted the complaints and any other 'negative' posts." The board is the place a buyer who has just discovered the ¶ 75 definition would look for other buyers who discovered it earlier.

Deleting a post does more than remove a complaint. The contractual guarantee lives inside an agreement no prospective buyer has been given yet, which means the board is the one surface on which a document delivered after payment can become visible before payment. A cleared board does not merely leave the next buyer unpersuaded. It leaves the next buyer unable to learn that a second definition of the word exists, and the allegation at ¶ 73 of the 9 May 2025 complaint is that the board was cleared.

The second is a clause. The Commission's press release of 18 March 2025, announcing its action against Click Profit, LLC, No. 1:25-cv-20973-DSL in the Southern District of Florida, describes an "unlawful non-disparagement clause" that the defendants used to threaten complaining customers with lawsuits. The same 18 March 2025 release describes the fee those customers had paid as a "management fee" of at least $45,000.

The third is a condition attached to the money. The Commission's press release of 16 November 2022 in the DK Automation matter states that the defendants agreed to provide refunds to consumers "on the condition they remove their complaints," and separately describes "falsifying positive reviews and flagging negative reviews that resulted in their removal." A refund conditioned on withdrawal is not a refund of a purchase. It is the purchase of a silence, priced at the amount already paid.

That conduct was announced on 16 November 2022, nearly two years before the rule that now reaches it directly took effect on 21 October 2024. Before then the Commission had to negotiate the remedy one matter at a time. In the Automators AI matter, announced 27 February 2024 in the Southern District of California, the stipulated order prohibits all of the defendants from enforcing contract terms that restrict customers from leaving negative reviews, while the permanent ban on offering business opportunities or e-commerce coaching reaches most of them rather than all. Those are two different scopes in one order, and the review term is the broader of the two.

Since 21 October 2024 the Rule on the Use of Consumer Reviews and Testimonials, 16 C.F.R. Part 465, reaches all three moves without anyone negotiating for it. Section 465.7 reaches review suppression, including an "unfounded or groundless legal threat." Section 465.4 reaches the buying of positive or negative reviews. Section 465.5 reaches insider reviews and testimonials given without clear and conspicuous disclosure of the connection. Exposure under 16 C.F.R. § 1.98 runs to $53,088 per violation as of September 2026.

The wording in § 465.7 is worth holding onto, because it names conduct rather than paper. A clause sitting unused in an agreement is one thing. What the rule reaches, effective 21 October 2024, is suppression, including the unfounded or groundless legal threat, which is the letter that actually arrives in a buyer's inbox after they post. The Commission's release of 18 March 2025 in the Click Profit matter describes both halves in that order: an unlawful clause, and its use to threaten complaining customers with lawsuits.

The two-year interval matters more than it looks. Between the conduct announced on 16 November 2022 and the rule taking effect on 21 October 2024, the only instrument against a conditional refund or a threatening letter was an order in a case the Commission had already chosen to bring. A remedy that exists only inside an enforcement action is a remedy available only to the buyers of a seller who has already been sued, and the buyers who complained first are the ones who supplied the evidence that got it brought.

What the rule of 21 October 2024 did not change is the order in which the two guarantees reach a buyer. Part 465 governs what a seller may do about a complaint. It says nothing about when the contract has to arrive, and the sequence at ¶¶ 45 to 47 of the 9 May 2025 complaint is a sequencing problem rather than a review problem.

Four matters in this chapter carry money. Every one was resolved by a stipulated order the defendants consented to, not by a contested judgment and not by a court shutting anybody down, and in every one the judgment figure is the larger of two numbers. Judgment entered against what the record shows was actually paid, from the Commission's own releases and orders as retrieved 5 September 2026:

Matter and order dateJudgment enteredWhat the record shows was paid
DK Automation, announced 16 November 2022nearly $53 million, partially suspended on an inability to pay$2.8 million distributed to 890 consumers on 28 March 2024, about $3,146 each
Automators AI, announced 27 February 2024$21,765,902.65, partially suspendedbank and cryptocurrency assets surrendered; no collected total published
Click Profit, stipulated orders filed 25 August 2025$13.6 million against three defendants and $7.3 million against a fourth, partially suspended on an inability to payno collected total published; the Commission described the settlement as proposed and the case listing still read pending
Growth Cave, orders signed 23 January 2026, announced 27 January 2026$48,597,538 jointly and severally, largely suspended on a sworn inability to paya Woodland Hills house, a Rolls-Royce, a Ferrari; $35,000 from a defendant who settled separately on 25 August 2025; $43,000 from a relief defendant

One row of that table carries a number anyone can divide. On 28 March 2024 the Commission distributed $2.8 million to 890 consumers in the DK Automation matter, which works out at roughly $3,146 each and is close to a full refund for the people who received one. The count is the part to read: 890 people received money against a harm the Commission valued at nearly $53 million in its release of 16 November 2022. Chapter 4 sets the collection column out in full, matter by matter.

For the other three rows the right-hand column is not a smaller number. It is an absence. As of September 2026 the Commission had published no collection total for the Automators AI order of 27 February 2024, none for the Click Profit orders filed 25 August 2025, and none for the Growth Cave orders signed 23 January 2026, and in the last of those the assets named in the announcement of 27 January 2026 are a house, two cars and two five-figure payments against a judgment of $48,597,538.

That is the answer to the question a guarantee is asked to settle. A buyer weighing a guarantee is asking what happens if this does not work. The federal record answers it twice: once in the contract, where the guarantee turns out to be continued work, and once in the collection column, where the regulator's own recovery is either unpublished or a fraction of the harm it found.

No seller in this record has published how many buyers invoked a guarantee, how many were refused, and under which clause. The Commission counts consumers when it distributes money, which happens years after the sale and only in matters it brought; the 28 March 2024 distribution counted 890 people in one matter, and it counted them because a case had already been filed. There is no denominator anywhere: no published count of buyers who asked, and no published count of refusals.

This chapter therefore carries no failure cohort of its own, and that is a stated absence rather than a silent one. The measured buyer outcomes in this volume were all produced by a regulator counting a cohort while it sued the seller, and they sit in Chapter 4. What would close this particular gap is smaller than a dataset. It is a count of refund requests and refund grants, by month, published by any seller who advertises a guarantee. As of September 2026, no seller in this record had published one, and no rule required it.

Before you pay, ask for the document that defines the guarantee and read it while the advertisement is still in front of you. Then check one thing: whether the definition and the advertisement use the same noun. An advertisement whose noun is an amount of money and a contract whose noun is a period of work are two promises wearing one word, and the one that governs is the one that arrives with the contract. If the definition cannot be produced before the payment, the sequence has already answered the question. The guarantee is the meeting, not the money.

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